1 00:00:00,730 --> 00:00:07,778 ♪♪ 2 00:00:07,862 --> 00:00:10,614 We're back on "Larry King Live" with John F. Kennedy Jr. 3 00:00:10,656 --> 00:00:13,075 It's very good to be the son of a legend. 4 00:00:13,117 --> 00:00:17,204 Uh, I mean, it's -- it's complicated. 5 00:00:18,539 --> 00:00:23,044 Gillon: I think John, his entire life was spent 6 00:00:23,127 --> 00:00:25,087 trying to find out who he was. 7 00:00:25,129 --> 00:00:27,131 And the one constant was his desire 8 00:00:27,214 --> 00:00:30,051 not to be treated as if he were his father's son. 9 00:00:30,134 --> 00:00:31,469 Couric: You haven't given up the notion 10 00:00:31,510 --> 00:00:32,970 of maybe going into politics. 11 00:00:33,012 --> 00:00:34,180 Maybe, maybe not. 12 00:00:34,263 --> 00:00:35,598 Oh, come on, John. [ Laughs ] 13 00:00:35,639 --> 00:00:37,975 There was a pressure -- "You're a Kennedy. 14 00:00:38,017 --> 00:00:39,518 You're going to be successful. 15 00:00:39,602 --> 00:00:41,520 You're going to be well-respected. 16 00:00:41,604 --> 00:00:44,565 John was just, like, a little bit more of a free spirit. 17 00:00:46,650 --> 00:00:49,862 Politics isn't dry. It isn't dull. 18 00:00:49,945 --> 00:00:52,198 He just did things differently. 19 00:00:52,281 --> 00:00:55,743 Jackie had raised John to be media-savvy. 20 00:00:55,826 --> 00:00:57,870 There was no shucking off of this celebrity. 21 00:00:57,953 --> 00:01:00,873 Man: Can I please get a couple shots, John, please? 22 00:01:00,956 --> 00:01:03,209 You've kind of grown up being this public figure 23 00:01:03,292 --> 00:01:05,336 even before you knew you were a public figure. 24 00:01:05,376 --> 00:01:07,338 -Come on, John. -Oh [bleep] 25 00:01:07,421 --> 00:01:10,174 Sometimes I wish it wasn't always that way. 26 00:01:11,675 --> 00:01:13,719 Rigueur: He will forever be that little boy, 27 00:01:13,803 --> 00:01:16,179 even as he is jaunting through New York City, 28 00:01:16,222 --> 00:01:18,015 even as he is struggling to pass the bar, 29 00:01:18,057 --> 00:01:21,810 even as he is launching his own political career and magazine. 30 00:01:21,852 --> 00:01:24,188 Ladies and gentlemen, meet George. 31 00:01:24,271 --> 00:01:25,981 [ Cheers and applause ] 32 00:01:26,023 --> 00:01:29,151 Woman: Being John Kennedy Jr. sets the bar so high. 33 00:01:29,193 --> 00:01:31,320 And I think that there's less room for error. 34 00:01:34,697 --> 00:01:36,826 Man: Oh, come on. [ Laughter ] 35 00:01:36,867 --> 00:01:39,829 It's obviously a very difficult job. 36 00:01:39,869 --> 00:01:41,872 Gillon: That was John's lifelong struggle -- 37 00:01:41,956 --> 00:01:45,375 to not be crushed by the burdens that were placed on him. 38 00:01:45,459 --> 00:01:47,419 Woman: Are we going to see you go into politics? 39 00:01:47,503 --> 00:01:49,255 It's something that, you know, you never say never. 40 00:01:49,338 --> 00:01:51,590 And it's obviously a source of interest. 41 00:01:51,673 --> 00:01:53,843 Radziwill: Being in that family, people like to think it's, 42 00:01:53,884 --> 00:01:56,804 you know, it's like good and bad and black and white. 43 00:01:56,887 --> 00:01:59,223 Reporter: John Kennedy managed to keep his wedding 44 00:01:59,265 --> 00:02:01,392 to Carolyn Bessette so private. 45 00:02:01,475 --> 00:02:03,686 They don't know the real story and the heartbreak 46 00:02:03,727 --> 00:02:05,688 and the heartache that we were all feeling. 47 00:02:05,729 --> 00:02:07,940 CNN has confirmed now that the U.S. Coast Guard 48 00:02:08,023 --> 00:02:12,736 is conducting a search for a private aircraft. 49 00:02:12,820 --> 00:02:18,159 Even after his death, John continues to be part 50 00:02:18,242 --> 00:02:21,203 of this larger American mythmaking. 51 00:02:21,245 --> 00:02:24,456 So it's always about, what would he have done? 52 00:02:24,540 --> 00:02:26,249 What would he have been? 53 00:02:26,333 --> 00:02:28,419 Hello. I'm John Kennedy. 54 00:02:30,171 --> 00:02:36,760 ♪♪ 55 00:02:36,844 --> 00:02:43,225 ♪♪ 56 00:02:43,267 --> 00:02:44,977 Man: He returned to Washington to be greeted 57 00:02:45,060 --> 00:02:49,523 by the skipping figure of his 2 1/2-year-old son, John-John. 58 00:02:49,607 --> 00:02:52,276 My first guest is, of course, somebody we've all watched 59 00:02:52,359 --> 00:02:54,445 since he was a little boy in the White House. 60 00:02:54,528 --> 00:02:56,322 Some of you know him as John-John. 61 00:02:56,405 --> 00:02:58,282 Reporter: The boy the country knew as John-John. 62 00:02:58,365 --> 00:02:59,617 When John-John... 63 00:02:59,700 --> 00:03:01,410 Cover it with a picture of John-John. 64 00:03:01,452 --> 00:03:03,621 We want to believe that John-John is pure and wonderful. 65 00:03:03,704 --> 00:03:05,122 Radziwill: This whole John-John thing, 66 00:03:05,206 --> 00:03:06,624 I don't know where it came from. 67 00:03:06,665 --> 00:03:08,209 I think it was a press thing. 68 00:03:08,292 --> 00:03:10,794 Something happened where people thought 69 00:03:10,878 --> 00:03:13,297 that maybe his family called him John-John. 70 00:03:13,339 --> 00:03:15,466 So people just sort of started saying that 71 00:03:15,549 --> 00:03:18,010 to imply that they were close to him. 72 00:03:18,093 --> 00:03:21,513 But I promise you, his sister didn't call him John-John. 73 00:03:21,597 --> 00:03:23,974 His mother, no one in his family, 74 00:03:24,016 --> 00:03:27,978 even, like, the extended cousins ever called him John-John. 75 00:03:28,020 --> 00:03:29,855 Winfrey: I hear he doesn't like to be called that, 76 00:03:29,939 --> 00:03:35,819 but he's all grown up now, so we will just call him John. 77 00:03:35,861 --> 00:03:40,032 Soren: It was remarkable, the kind of aura around him. 78 00:03:40,115 --> 00:03:43,911 Unless you know him personally, he is a myth, 79 00:03:43,994 --> 00:03:46,330 even if he's standing in front of you. 80 00:03:46,372 --> 00:03:47,998 I was at a dinner party with him once. 81 00:03:48,040 --> 00:03:50,459 I wasn't talking to him because I just felt like 82 00:03:50,501 --> 00:03:52,503 everybody's always trying to talk to him, 83 00:03:52,544 --> 00:03:54,463 and just give the kid a break. 84 00:03:54,505 --> 00:03:57,341 I was nervous, but it was coupled with 85 00:03:57,383 --> 00:03:59,760 trying to have some compassion 86 00:03:59,843 --> 00:04:03,097 for this person who is under a microscope, 87 00:04:03,180 --> 00:04:07,685 because he comes with an entire lifetime of baggage 88 00:04:07,726 --> 00:04:10,646 in us knowing things that we probably shouldn't know 89 00:04:10,688 --> 00:04:14,525 or maybe understanding things that aren't true about him. 90 00:04:14,608 --> 00:04:16,235 Man: How you doing, John? Good. How are you? 91 00:04:16,318 --> 00:04:17,694 Pretty good. 92 00:04:17,735 --> 00:04:21,282 John became the biggest celebrity in America 93 00:04:21,365 --> 00:04:22,700 when he was conceived. 94 00:04:22,741 --> 00:04:26,870 ♪♪ 95 00:04:26,912 --> 00:04:28,664 Narrator: In Georgetown, a hopeful crowd 96 00:04:28,706 --> 00:04:31,375 waits for a glimpse of John Fitzgerald Kennedy Jr., 97 00:04:31,458 --> 00:04:33,669 first-baby-to-be, who is whisked by 98 00:04:33,711 --> 00:04:37,089 heavily swaddled against the subfreezing weather. 99 00:04:37,172 --> 00:04:39,925 Gillon: He made the front page of every major newspaper 100 00:04:40,009 --> 00:04:41,802 when he was born. 101 00:04:41,885 --> 00:04:44,722 You have to realize that JFK came to power 102 00:04:44,763 --> 00:04:48,142 just as television was becoming the primary source 103 00:04:48,225 --> 00:04:49,727 for people getting their news. 104 00:04:49,768 --> 00:04:51,603 The candidates need no introduction. 105 00:04:51,687 --> 00:04:54,732 The Republican candidate, Vice President Richard M. Nixon, 106 00:04:54,815 --> 00:04:58,527 and the Democratic candidate, Senator John F. Kennedy. 107 00:04:58,569 --> 00:05:00,738 Gillon: The White House that John was born into 108 00:05:00,779 --> 00:05:03,032 was really the beginning of the combination 109 00:05:03,073 --> 00:05:05,159 of celebrity and politics. 110 00:05:05,242 --> 00:05:07,578 His mom was a cultural icon. 111 00:05:07,619 --> 00:05:10,247 His father was the most powerful man in the world. 112 00:05:10,331 --> 00:05:12,041 [ Crowd cheering ] 113 00:05:12,082 --> 00:05:15,294 I liked them, what their feelings about things were, 114 00:05:15,377 --> 00:05:17,296 their politics, everything, you know. 115 00:05:17,379 --> 00:05:21,091 And they were a hope, a big, big hope. 116 00:05:21,175 --> 00:05:25,429 There was something about them that was good and true. 117 00:05:25,471 --> 00:05:26,764 And you felt that. 118 00:05:26,805 --> 00:05:29,266 Only you can decide what you want, 119 00:05:29,350 --> 00:05:30,851 what you want this country to be, 120 00:05:30,934 --> 00:05:32,603 what you want to do with the future. 121 00:05:32,686 --> 00:05:34,772 De Niro: That was his public persona, 122 00:05:34,855 --> 00:05:37,274 and everybody really needed it. 123 00:05:37,358 --> 00:05:38,776 Even saying things like... 124 00:05:38,817 --> 00:05:43,447 Ask not what your country can do for you. 125 00:05:43,489 --> 00:05:45,657 ..."but what you can do for your country," 126 00:05:45,741 --> 00:05:47,242 those were very good things. 127 00:05:47,284 --> 00:05:50,037 Kennedy: We can organize our life so that our people 128 00:05:50,120 --> 00:05:53,707 will find themselves living in a world of peace and freedom. 129 00:05:53,791 --> 00:05:56,543 Soren: You're talking to an Irish Catholic person 130 00:05:56,627 --> 00:05:58,420 whose parents are New Englanders, 131 00:05:58,462 --> 00:06:02,966 who had a picture of Jesus, literally, 132 00:06:03,050 --> 00:06:07,471 and JFK next to each other over the couch. 133 00:06:07,554 --> 00:06:11,392 He meant so much to my family. 134 00:06:11,475 --> 00:06:12,684 [ Indistinct singing ] 135 00:06:12,768 --> 00:06:15,104 I'm a professor of counseling psychology 136 00:06:15,145 --> 00:06:16,480 at Fordham University. 137 00:06:16,522 --> 00:06:18,315 And I do research in psychobiography 138 00:06:18,357 --> 00:06:20,275 and multicultural psychology. 139 00:06:20,317 --> 00:06:23,654 My family was always interested, you know, in President Kennedy, 140 00:06:23,695 --> 00:06:26,198 the first Catholic president, immigrant Irish family. 141 00:06:26,281 --> 00:06:29,535 So that launched my interest in John F. Kennedy. 142 00:06:29,618 --> 00:06:31,328 Then in recent years, I was saying, 143 00:06:31,412 --> 00:06:35,290 "Can you imagine young John F. Kennedy Jr. being born 144 00:06:35,332 --> 00:06:39,420 into that umbrella of notoriety and fame of his father? 145 00:06:39,503 --> 00:06:42,548 How does he find his own identity?" 146 00:06:42,631 --> 00:06:44,007 Gillon: When John was a little kid, 147 00:06:44,091 --> 00:06:45,676 you know, growing up in the White House, 148 00:06:45,759 --> 00:06:47,428 there was this tug-of-war going on 149 00:06:47,511 --> 00:06:49,138 between his father and his mother. 150 00:06:49,179 --> 00:06:52,099 His mother wanted to protect his privacy as much as possible. 151 00:06:52,182 --> 00:06:55,519 Jackie is trying to put up these large trees 152 00:06:55,561 --> 00:06:58,188 to block people from taking pictures, 153 00:06:58,272 --> 00:07:00,023 and JFK is having them torn up 154 00:07:00,065 --> 00:07:02,109 because he wants people to see him. 155 00:07:02,192 --> 00:07:06,155 He understands that political value of a wholesome family. 156 00:07:07,531 --> 00:07:09,074 [ Gunshot ] 157 00:07:09,158 --> 00:07:11,994 Man: It appears as though something has happened 158 00:07:12,035 --> 00:07:13,370 in the motorcade route. 159 00:07:13,412 --> 00:07:16,373 Something, I repeat, has happened in the motorcade route. 160 00:07:16,457 --> 00:07:22,713 President Kennedy died at 1:00 p.m. Central Standard Time. 161 00:07:22,796 --> 00:07:27,134 Soren: The whole country endured this assassination. 162 00:07:27,217 --> 00:07:30,387 People remember exactly where they were when this happened 163 00:07:30,429 --> 00:07:33,807 and stood in front of their televisions and cried. 164 00:07:33,891 --> 00:07:38,020 Man: There's only one word to describe the picture here, 165 00:07:38,061 --> 00:07:39,563 and that's "grief." 166 00:07:39,605 --> 00:07:44,109 John became not just a young son of an assassinated president, 167 00:07:44,193 --> 00:07:48,363 but John became almost like a nephew or a younger cousin 168 00:07:48,405 --> 00:07:50,908 or even a son to the millions of people watching. 169 00:07:50,991 --> 00:07:54,912 Man: John, what happened to your father? 170 00:07:54,995 --> 00:07:58,624 Young Kennedy Jr.: So, he's gone to heaven. 171 00:07:58,707 --> 00:08:00,209 He's gone to heaven? Yeah. 172 00:08:00,250 --> 00:08:02,085 Do you remember him? Yeah. 173 00:08:02,169 --> 00:08:03,921 What do you remember? 174 00:08:03,962 --> 00:08:08,842 I don't -- I don't remember anything. 175 00:08:11,345 --> 00:08:15,807 The Kennedys, I think, are the epitome of the American dream. 176 00:08:15,891 --> 00:08:17,976 But they are also the epitome of everything 177 00:08:18,060 --> 00:08:20,687 that Americans hold in ambition, right, 178 00:08:20,771 --> 00:08:25,567 the politics, the wealth, the mystery. 179 00:08:25,609 --> 00:08:28,987 And then in an instant, it's cut off. 180 00:08:29,071 --> 00:08:32,782 So now we don't know what that possibility is. 181 00:08:32,824 --> 00:08:35,285 But when we see his 3-year-old son John 182 00:08:35,368 --> 00:08:37,329 saluting the casket, 183 00:08:37,411 --> 00:08:41,500 the American public immediately casts all those aspirations, 184 00:08:41,583 --> 00:08:43,252 all those myths, 185 00:08:43,293 --> 00:08:45,921 all those understandings about John F. Kennedy 186 00:08:45,963 --> 00:08:50,300 and his unfinished legacy onto his son. 187 00:08:50,384 --> 00:08:55,764 And so we see, I think, a kind of heightened intensity 188 00:08:55,806 --> 00:09:01,353 and focus on John, the boy who would be king. 189 00:09:01,436 --> 00:09:03,605 The great burden John had was to play the role 190 00:09:03,647 --> 00:09:05,399 of John F. Kennedy Jr. 191 00:09:05,482 --> 00:09:07,025 And in many ways, 192 00:09:07,109 --> 00:09:11,697 his mother unintentionally raised those expectations. 193 00:09:11,780 --> 00:09:14,533 I think every woman wants to feel needed. 194 00:09:14,616 --> 00:09:16,076 And in politics, you are, 195 00:09:16,159 --> 00:09:18,662 so much more than in many other fields. 196 00:09:18,704 --> 00:09:21,331 You're always living in a state of crisis. 197 00:09:21,415 --> 00:09:25,168 You're always being demanded to meet a challenge. 198 00:09:25,210 --> 00:09:28,380 And when you meet it, it's a great satisfaction to me. 199 00:09:28,463 --> 00:09:32,175 Gillon: She was so determined to preserve the legacy 200 00:09:32,217 --> 00:09:37,347 of her husband that she created the myth of Camelot. 201 00:09:37,431 --> 00:09:41,018 As Jackie Kennedy said in her interview in Life magazine 202 00:09:41,059 --> 00:09:43,020 just a few months after his death, 203 00:09:43,103 --> 00:09:45,731 "Let's not forget there once was a Camelot. 204 00:09:45,814 --> 00:09:47,357 There may be other great presidents, 205 00:09:47,399 --> 00:09:49,610 but there will never be another Camelot." 206 00:09:51,194 --> 00:09:54,031 Gillon: That myth is what would carry forward. 207 00:09:54,114 --> 00:09:57,826 When people saw John, they saw him as the person 208 00:09:57,868 --> 00:10:01,663 who was going to bring Camelot alive again. 209 00:10:01,705 --> 00:10:04,833 And I think that became a burden for him. 210 00:10:04,875 --> 00:10:07,502 Ginsberg: I mean, he was 3 years old when his dad died. 211 00:10:07,544 --> 00:10:11,214 His uncle was a big part of his life. 212 00:10:11,256 --> 00:10:14,051 When Bobby asked him what he wanted to do as an adult, 213 00:10:14,092 --> 00:10:16,053 I think he told Bobby he wanted to be a chef. 214 00:10:16,136 --> 00:10:18,180 Bobby was like, "Are you out of your [bleep] mind?" 215 00:10:18,221 --> 00:10:19,389 [ Laughs ] 216 00:10:19,473 --> 00:10:21,141 [ Applause ] 217 00:10:21,224 --> 00:10:23,935 Gillon: His family's greatest accomplishments were public. 218 00:10:24,019 --> 00:10:26,063 They were presidents and they were senators. 219 00:10:26,146 --> 00:10:29,191 They left a legacy of accomplishment. 220 00:10:29,232 --> 00:10:30,901 John was the heir. 221 00:10:30,942 --> 00:10:32,444 If you were to have a son, 222 00:10:32,527 --> 00:10:35,072 would you encourage a political career for him? 223 00:10:35,113 --> 00:10:36,740 Yes, and I hope if I had a daughter, 224 00:10:36,823 --> 00:10:38,909 I might encourage her to play some part. 225 00:10:38,950 --> 00:10:40,535 But I would, definitely. 226 00:10:40,577 --> 00:10:43,080 I would hope he would grow up to be if not a politician, 227 00:10:43,121 --> 00:10:44,956 I would hope that whatever he did do 228 00:10:45,040 --> 00:10:48,335 that he would have some sense of responsibility for what went on. 229 00:10:48,418 --> 00:10:50,295 Radziwill: People had the expectation 230 00:10:50,379 --> 00:10:53,507 that John was going to grow up and probably go into politics, 231 00:10:53,590 --> 00:10:55,509 and he may have eventually, 232 00:10:55,592 --> 00:10:59,304 but I think he envisioned, you know, this other life. 233 00:11:07,437 --> 00:11:10,440 Ginsberg: I was a paper boy for seven years on one block 234 00:11:10,524 --> 00:11:12,150 outside of Buffalo, New York, 235 00:11:12,234 --> 00:11:13,944 and I told people when they asked, 236 00:11:13,985 --> 00:11:15,362 "Where are you going to college?" 237 00:11:15,445 --> 00:11:16,780 I said, "I'm going to Brown University." 238 00:11:16,822 --> 00:11:18,657 And to a person, they all said, 239 00:11:18,740 --> 00:11:21,702 "Isn't that where John-John Kennedy goes?" 240 00:11:21,785 --> 00:11:25,247 I met him the first week of sophomore year, his junior year. 241 00:11:25,288 --> 00:11:28,583 We were both taking a European intellectual history class, 242 00:11:28,625 --> 00:11:32,379 and we were in a smaller seminar with the professor. 243 00:11:32,462 --> 00:11:35,090 And so we had to one time do a conversation 244 00:11:35,132 --> 00:11:38,468 between Kierkegaard and Nietzsche and Kant, 245 00:11:38,552 --> 00:11:41,054 and neither of us had a clue how to do it. 246 00:11:41,138 --> 00:11:43,473 And I got up and I gave my conversation. 247 00:11:43,515 --> 00:11:44,933 It was like a two-minute conversation, 248 00:11:44,975 --> 00:11:46,268 and she just looked at me, 249 00:11:46,309 --> 00:11:48,311 kind of shaking her head like, "What?" 250 00:11:48,353 --> 00:11:50,897 Then John gets up, and he gives what I think 251 00:11:50,981 --> 00:11:54,985 is an equally obtuse, inane conversation 252 00:11:55,068 --> 00:11:56,486 between these two intellectuals. 253 00:11:56,528 --> 00:11:59,823 And she says, "John, that was so profound." 254 00:11:59,865 --> 00:12:02,534 And I thought, "Damn, life is not fair." 255 00:12:02,617 --> 00:12:05,871 It was called the JK Factor, which he later coined, 256 00:12:05,954 --> 00:12:09,791 which was there was always that kind of special -- 257 00:12:09,833 --> 00:12:11,168 he got a little bit special treatment 258 00:12:11,251 --> 00:12:13,336 that the rest of us didn't get. 259 00:12:13,420 --> 00:12:15,172 Gillon: I was a graduate student at Brown 260 00:12:15,255 --> 00:12:17,090 when John was an undergraduate. 261 00:12:17,174 --> 00:12:18,675 You know, I was older than him. 262 00:12:18,717 --> 00:12:21,762 You know, I understood the role I played in John's life. 263 00:12:21,845 --> 00:12:23,555 I was the professor. 264 00:12:23,638 --> 00:12:25,640 We spent a lot of time together. 265 00:12:25,682 --> 00:12:28,018 I felt I really got to know him. 266 00:12:28,059 --> 00:12:29,686 Two, three times a week sometimes, 267 00:12:29,770 --> 00:12:32,522 we'd hop in his little blue Honda, and we would go there 268 00:12:32,606 --> 00:12:36,777 and we would have these really intense games of racquetball, 269 00:12:36,860 --> 00:12:38,320 and then we would lift weights 270 00:12:38,361 --> 00:12:40,363 and then we would go and get something to eat. 271 00:12:40,447 --> 00:12:42,240 And, of course, John never had any money. 272 00:12:42,324 --> 00:12:45,535 So I was a graduate student living on $5,000 a year, 273 00:12:45,619 --> 00:12:48,288 and I'm buying him -- Of course, it's Wendy's. 274 00:12:51,750 --> 00:12:55,504 Jackie knew that John was scattered. 275 00:12:55,545 --> 00:12:59,424 She knew that he was not good at making deadlines, 276 00:12:59,508 --> 00:13:02,135 filling out applications, so she used to do it for him. 277 00:13:02,219 --> 00:13:06,389 Jackie filled out part of John's application to Brown. 278 00:13:07,599 --> 00:13:10,894 Ponterotto: His mom was a very powerful, strong figure. 279 00:13:10,936 --> 00:13:13,814 She had to be a loving, nurturing mother 280 00:13:13,897 --> 00:13:17,108 but also a stern father as a single mom. 281 00:13:17,192 --> 00:13:19,569 Gillon: I referred to her as the "hidden hand" mother. 282 00:13:19,653 --> 00:13:22,906 She did things behind the scenes so John didn't know it. 283 00:13:22,989 --> 00:13:26,451 Like this letter to a professor. 284 00:13:26,535 --> 00:13:30,997 She writes, "Dear Mrs. Romer, I received today my copy 285 00:13:31,081 --> 00:13:33,458 of your letter to my son John Kennedy, 286 00:13:33,542 --> 00:13:36,878 telling him that he needs to complete two courses 287 00:13:36,920 --> 00:13:38,922 to be in good standing. 288 00:13:39,005 --> 00:13:42,092 I have never asked for special consideration for my children, 289 00:13:42,175 --> 00:13:46,429 but there was an extra burden John carried this year. 290 00:13:46,513 --> 00:13:50,600 He was asked to campaign almost every weekend for his uncle." 291 00:13:50,684 --> 00:13:55,647 I come here today to ask for your help and your support. 292 00:13:55,730 --> 00:13:59,359 Gillon: "And he thought he could carry both loads." 293 00:13:59,442 --> 00:14:01,736 Ponterotto: John had an adventurous streak 294 00:14:01,778 --> 00:14:03,488 and somewhat of a risk-taking streak, 295 00:14:03,572 --> 00:14:06,074 and I think Mrs. Kennedy wanted to make sure 296 00:14:06,116 --> 00:14:07,617 that there was balance there 297 00:14:07,659 --> 00:14:09,953 and John did not get himself into trouble, 298 00:14:10,036 --> 00:14:12,289 which he did at times. 299 00:14:13,540 --> 00:14:15,292 Gillon: He always said, you know, 300 00:14:15,333 --> 00:14:17,377 "I don't want to do what people expect me to do." 301 00:14:17,460 --> 00:14:19,379 He needed to do something that stood out, 302 00:14:19,462 --> 00:14:22,382 so that next year, he graduated and went to India. 303 00:14:23,800 --> 00:14:26,469 Every once in a while, he would write me a letter. 304 00:14:26,553 --> 00:14:29,931 "Dear Stevie, I've spent most of my time 305 00:14:29,973 --> 00:14:34,436 traveling around to different projects in different regions. 306 00:14:34,477 --> 00:14:37,272 Of course, the inevitable thought is 307 00:14:37,314 --> 00:14:39,274 about what to do when I get back. 308 00:14:39,316 --> 00:14:42,736 Might you keep your eyes and ears open for me? 309 00:14:42,819 --> 00:14:48,033 And if anything passes your way, perhaps you pass it on. 310 00:14:48,116 --> 00:14:50,619 Later, John." 311 00:14:50,660 --> 00:14:51,953 While he was in India, 312 00:14:51,995 --> 00:14:54,789 he thought about going to law school. 313 00:14:54,831 --> 00:14:57,167 But John didn't want to be a lawyer. 314 00:14:57,208 --> 00:15:00,003 For John, it was kind of a, "You know what? 315 00:15:00,045 --> 00:15:01,296 What the hell? 316 00:15:01,338 --> 00:15:03,715 My mom wants me to do something serious. 317 00:15:03,798 --> 00:15:07,052 It's serious. I'll do it." 318 00:15:07,135 --> 00:15:10,639 John was at NYU's law school when I was at NYU. 319 00:15:10,680 --> 00:15:14,142 Yes, it was always a good day if you had a JFK Jr. sighting. 320 00:15:14,184 --> 00:15:17,020 He went to law school when I was graduating. 321 00:15:17,062 --> 00:15:18,396 So he was always, you know, 322 00:15:18,480 --> 00:15:20,190 asking me about what law school was like, 323 00:15:20,231 --> 00:15:22,192 'cause, you know, I was seeing him all the time. 324 00:15:22,233 --> 00:15:23,902 John loved New York City. 325 00:15:23,985 --> 00:15:26,738 He was so much a part of the landscape of New York, 326 00:15:26,821 --> 00:15:30,033 like, you know, 'cause he rode his bike everywhere, 327 00:15:30,116 --> 00:15:32,786 played football on the city playgrounds, 328 00:15:32,869 --> 00:15:35,246 if you can believe it. 329 00:15:35,330 --> 00:15:38,792 He wanted to live a normal New York life. 330 00:15:38,875 --> 00:15:40,585 From East Harlem to Chinatown, 331 00:15:40,669 --> 00:15:43,588 from Mott Haven in the Bronx to the Lower East Side, 332 00:15:43,672 --> 00:15:46,383 there is no place quite like New York. 333 00:15:46,466 --> 00:15:48,510 Radziwill: He wanted to maybe break some rules, 334 00:15:48,551 --> 00:15:50,011 and then he did. 335 00:15:50,053 --> 00:15:53,473 It sounds silly, but, like, he moved downtown to Tribeca 336 00:15:53,556 --> 00:15:56,351 when his whole family lived on the Upper East Side. 337 00:15:56,393 --> 00:15:58,395 And it just was like in these little ways, 338 00:15:58,436 --> 00:16:00,563 you're making boundaries and you're creating independence 339 00:16:00,605 --> 00:16:03,608 and you're creating this other life. 340 00:16:03,692 --> 00:16:06,695 Rigueur: There is no such thing as a private, 341 00:16:06,736 --> 00:16:10,699 normal day in the life of John F. Kennedy Jr. 342 00:16:10,740 --> 00:16:15,412 He is repeatedly a focus of not just tabloid fodder, 343 00:16:15,453 --> 00:16:19,249 but also fawning public adoration. 344 00:16:19,290 --> 00:16:20,875 De Niro: The first time I met him, 345 00:16:20,917 --> 00:16:22,711 he lived around the corner from where I lived. 346 00:16:22,752 --> 00:16:27,549 He would be followed more than, say, I was followed. 347 00:16:27,590 --> 00:16:30,343 Well, he was John Kennedy Jr. [ Laughs ] 348 00:16:30,427 --> 00:16:32,595 Who wouldn't be interested in him? 349 00:16:32,637 --> 00:16:36,224 He had those good looks, and he was a regular person. 350 00:16:36,266 --> 00:16:38,309 People were just -- they couldn't get over him 351 00:16:38,393 --> 00:16:39,853 or get enough of him. 352 00:16:39,936 --> 00:16:43,940 Newspapers kept, you know, selling because of him. 353 00:16:44,024 --> 00:16:46,401 And once you got the tabloid TV, 354 00:16:46,443 --> 00:16:50,113 it kept being so popular because of him. 355 00:16:50,155 --> 00:16:53,658 That's when he became the most desirable bachelor in New York. 356 00:16:53,742 --> 00:16:56,119 His dating life was just, you know, 357 00:16:56,161 --> 00:16:57,787 the frenzy of the gossip columns. 358 00:16:57,829 --> 00:17:00,123 You dated John F. Kennedy Jr. once. I did, yeah. 359 00:17:00,165 --> 00:17:01,458 A few times. Yeah, for a while. 360 00:17:01,541 --> 00:17:02,792 Great guy. 361 00:17:02,834 --> 00:17:04,961 The stuff about being sexy and attractive... 362 00:17:05,044 --> 00:17:07,755 Listen, people can say a lot worse things about you, right, 363 00:17:07,797 --> 00:17:09,299 than you are attractive 364 00:17:09,382 --> 00:17:10,633 and you look good in a bathing suit. 365 00:17:10,716 --> 00:17:12,260 John Kennedy's going to be in my class? 366 00:17:12,302 --> 00:17:14,471 I can get you a spot right behind him. 367 00:17:14,553 --> 00:17:17,057 He has got a great butt. 368 00:17:17,139 --> 00:17:19,059 He looks like his father. 369 00:17:19,142 --> 00:17:23,772 His mother was, you know, the most iconic beauty in the world. 370 00:17:23,812 --> 00:17:27,067 And they were America's royal family, essentially. 371 00:17:27,149 --> 00:17:29,319 And John Jr., you know, 372 00:17:29,360 --> 00:17:31,654 looked like he had everything going for him 373 00:17:31,738 --> 00:17:34,657 that could make him a real spear carrier 374 00:17:34,741 --> 00:17:38,703 for the next gen of that karma, essentially. 375 00:17:38,787 --> 00:17:41,289 Rigueur: There is an intense amount of scrutiny around, 376 00:17:41,331 --> 00:17:46,252 what is John F. Kennedy Jr.'s thing going to be? 377 00:17:46,336 --> 00:17:47,962 Do you think you might be interested 378 00:17:48,004 --> 00:17:49,756 in going into politics? 379 00:17:49,839 --> 00:17:53,718 Well, I'm completely busy and consumed by what I'm doing now. 380 00:17:53,802 --> 00:17:58,098 And, you know, obviously, I find public issues interesting. 381 00:17:58,181 --> 00:17:59,516 And I can't help but find 382 00:17:59,599 --> 00:18:01,142 a convention like this interesting. 383 00:18:01,184 --> 00:18:02,894 But I'm just -- 384 00:18:02,977 --> 00:18:04,187 You know, I'll see what happens, 385 00:18:04,270 --> 00:18:06,689 and I'm happy doing what I'm doing. 386 00:18:06,731 --> 00:18:08,942 Ginsberg: We studied for the LSAT together. 387 00:18:09,025 --> 00:18:11,152 It was not a natural thing for us. 388 00:18:11,194 --> 00:18:12,695 And yet he didn't care. 389 00:18:12,737 --> 00:18:14,322 You know, he was willing to put himself 390 00:18:14,364 --> 00:18:17,283 into uncomfortable situations 391 00:18:17,367 --> 00:18:19,536 and overcome whatever limitations 392 00:18:19,577 --> 00:18:22,831 he thought he might have to succeed. 393 00:18:22,872 --> 00:18:26,584 You know, God willing, I'll be back there in July 394 00:18:26,668 --> 00:18:29,045 and I'll pass it then or I'll pass it the next time 395 00:18:29,129 --> 00:18:30,755 or I'll pass it when I'm 95. 396 00:18:30,839 --> 00:18:32,549 Normally it's a private experience 397 00:18:32,632 --> 00:18:34,384 when you fail the bar, right? 398 00:18:34,425 --> 00:18:36,386 Your parents know, your siblings know, 399 00:18:36,469 --> 00:18:37,929 maybe a couple of co-workers. 400 00:18:38,012 --> 00:18:40,265 the entire world knew. 401 00:18:40,348 --> 00:18:42,267 Unfortunately, flunked again, and unfortunately, 402 00:18:42,350 --> 00:18:47,355 the media was just as vicious. 403 00:18:47,397 --> 00:18:50,525 He was able to finally pass it by his third try. 404 00:18:50,567 --> 00:18:52,277 Slow news day, I guess, huh? 405 00:18:52,360 --> 00:18:53,653 Man: How do you feel about it? 406 00:18:53,736 --> 00:18:55,572 It tastes pretty sweet at the moment. 407 00:18:55,655 --> 00:18:58,700 Gillon: John felt he needed to redefine himself to the public. 408 00:18:58,741 --> 00:19:01,744 He didn't want to be remembered as the hunk flunks. 409 00:19:01,786 --> 00:19:04,164 He didn't want to be remembered as the sexiest man alive. 410 00:19:04,247 --> 00:19:06,624 He wanted to have some accomplishment. 411 00:19:06,708 --> 00:19:08,793 You going to stay here in the DA's office? 412 00:19:08,877 --> 00:19:10,503 Sure, absolutely. 413 00:19:10,587 --> 00:19:12,630 What kind of cases are you looking forward to? 414 00:19:16,676 --> 00:19:19,762 [ Indistinct singing, cheers and applause ] 415 00:19:24,309 --> 00:19:25,852 Ginsberg: In 1992, 416 00:19:25,935 --> 00:19:28,438 John was watching the campaign really closely 417 00:19:28,479 --> 00:19:31,608 because Clinton had captured the imagination 418 00:19:31,691 --> 00:19:35,570 of a much broader group of voters and personalities 419 00:19:35,612 --> 00:19:39,365 and people to bring them into the political process. 420 00:19:39,449 --> 00:19:42,535 America can be made forever young, 421 00:19:42,619 --> 00:19:46,289 the idea that drove John Kennedy to the presidency in their time. 422 00:19:46,372 --> 00:19:47,832 [ Cheers and applause ] 423 00:19:47,916 --> 00:19:52,086 Bill Clinton really just zeroed in on young people. 424 00:19:52,128 --> 00:19:53,963 It's like, "If I can get the young vote, 425 00:19:54,047 --> 00:19:55,632 I can win this election." 426 00:19:55,715 --> 00:19:58,134 Education, the environment, AIDS, the economy, 427 00:19:58,176 --> 00:19:59,636 why young people don't vote. 428 00:19:59,677 --> 00:20:01,179 Governor Bill Clinton will be here to answer 429 00:20:01,262 --> 00:20:03,306 those questions and more next. 430 00:20:03,389 --> 00:20:05,975 Until Bill Clinton, 431 00:20:06,059 --> 00:20:08,937 I had always thought of presidential candidates 432 00:20:08,978 --> 00:20:11,564 as about probably my grandfather's age. 433 00:20:11,648 --> 00:20:13,316 One reason for the alienation of young people 434 00:20:13,399 --> 00:20:15,735 is this is a more diverse society 435 00:20:15,818 --> 00:20:17,946 than you can tell by looking on television at night 436 00:20:17,987 --> 00:20:19,656 at the people running it. 437 00:20:19,697 --> 00:20:24,827 For me, the two snapshots of the entire campaign in 1992 438 00:20:24,911 --> 00:20:28,623 are doing a town hall with Clinton 439 00:20:28,665 --> 00:20:32,210 and having him be asked questions 440 00:20:32,293 --> 00:20:33,878 that showed his humanity. 441 00:20:33,962 --> 00:20:36,673 If you had it to do over again, would you inhale? 442 00:20:36,756 --> 00:20:39,050 Sure, if I could. I tried before. 443 00:20:39,133 --> 00:20:40,218 [ Laughter ] 444 00:20:40,301 --> 00:20:42,595 The other snapshot for me 445 00:20:42,679 --> 00:20:45,139 is being on the back of a moving train 446 00:20:45,181 --> 00:20:46,516 with the person I was interviewing, 447 00:20:46,557 --> 00:20:48,518 who happened to be George H.W. Bush. 448 00:20:48,601 --> 00:20:50,311 The message isn't really getting through. 449 00:20:50,353 --> 00:20:52,647 The Republican platform says abstinence. 450 00:20:52,689 --> 00:20:55,525 Well, I'm a little concerned about 13-year-old pregnancies. 451 00:20:55,566 --> 00:20:57,402 Maybe others aren't. I'm very much concerned. Well, but -- 452 00:20:57,485 --> 00:20:59,445 May I finish, please? 453 00:20:59,529 --> 00:21:02,115 When Bush is interviewed by Tabitha Soren, 454 00:21:02,198 --> 00:21:04,033 it is one of the most awkward 455 00:21:04,075 --> 00:21:07,495 political-meets-pop-culture interviews. 456 00:21:07,537 --> 00:21:10,707 Bush doesn't understand the culture in a way 457 00:21:10,748 --> 00:21:13,459 that translates to MTV's audience. 458 00:21:14,877 --> 00:21:20,216 All of a sudden, Clinton is conveying a stark contrast 459 00:21:20,300 --> 00:21:21,801 to all the other options, 460 00:21:21,884 --> 00:21:24,512 and he's using non-traditional media to do it. 461 00:21:24,554 --> 00:21:26,556 [ Saxophone playing ] 462 00:21:26,597 --> 00:21:28,808 [ Cheers and applause ] 463 00:21:28,891 --> 00:21:30,435 Carmody: Politics was becoming -- 464 00:21:30,518 --> 00:21:32,020 I don't want to say sexy, 465 00:21:32,061 --> 00:21:36,274 but it was becoming more part of the mainstream. 466 00:21:36,357 --> 00:21:37,900 You know what your drummer said? What? 467 00:21:37,984 --> 00:21:39,736 He said, "If this music thing doesn't work out, 468 00:21:39,777 --> 00:21:41,487 you can always run for president." 469 00:21:41,571 --> 00:21:43,531 [ Laughter ] 470 00:21:43,573 --> 00:21:45,241 Soren: You can't be dismissive of young people, 471 00:21:45,283 --> 00:21:47,952 and young people insist that you move with the times. 472 00:21:48,036 --> 00:21:50,580 And because JFK Jr. was a young person, 473 00:21:50,663 --> 00:21:52,540 he didn't need any convincing. 474 00:21:52,582 --> 00:21:54,792 What he needed was the ability to create, 475 00:21:54,876 --> 00:21:59,380 you know, some sort of entity to further those ideas. 476 00:22:01,549 --> 00:22:04,427 So, John is working for 477 00:22:04,510 --> 00:22:06,763 the New York Office of Business Development, 478 00:22:06,804 --> 00:22:08,931 I believe, and Michael Berman, 479 00:22:09,015 --> 00:22:12,143 who was a very successful advertising executive, 480 00:22:12,226 --> 00:22:14,771 was volunteering one day a week, 481 00:22:14,854 --> 00:22:17,732 and they met, and they bonded right away. 482 00:22:17,774 --> 00:22:20,943 And they decided after a while to go into business. 483 00:22:20,985 --> 00:22:22,445 You came from PR, right? 484 00:22:22,528 --> 00:22:24,489 Right. I had a public relations and marketing company. 485 00:22:24,572 --> 00:22:26,657 We launched products in the marketplace, 486 00:22:26,741 --> 00:22:28,659 so that was my forte here, 487 00:22:28,743 --> 00:22:31,204 and combined with John's, you know, incredible knowledge 488 00:22:31,287 --> 00:22:32,663 and passion for politics. 489 00:22:32,747 --> 00:22:34,374 Ginsberg: Michael had a very commercial mind. 490 00:22:34,457 --> 00:22:36,459 He was more of a businessman. 491 00:22:36,501 --> 00:22:39,587 He understood numbers. He understood marketing. 492 00:22:39,629 --> 00:22:42,090 He understood how to sell a product. 493 00:22:42,131 --> 00:22:45,009 He brought a certain discipline to the process 494 00:22:45,093 --> 00:22:46,969 that John perhaps lacked. 495 00:22:47,011 --> 00:22:48,304 In addition to the fact 496 00:22:48,346 --> 00:22:50,431 that political magazines wouldn't sell, 497 00:22:50,473 --> 00:22:54,852 the experts early on advised us of just one other key point -- 498 00:22:54,936 --> 00:22:58,147 Never go into business with a friend. 499 00:22:58,189 --> 00:23:02,819 Well, being right one time out of two ain't bad. 500 00:23:02,860 --> 00:23:04,570 It was a process of hashing it out. 501 00:23:04,654 --> 00:23:06,614 I think it was during that period 502 00:23:06,656 --> 00:23:08,866 when I had my first conversation with John about it, 503 00:23:08,950 --> 00:23:11,411 and he obviously had bought into the idea 504 00:23:11,494 --> 00:23:13,830 and was very excited about it. 505 00:23:13,913 --> 00:23:19,335 So the two of them together created George. 506 00:23:19,419 --> 00:23:22,839 Brown: John's relationship to the press was extremely wary. 507 00:23:22,922 --> 00:23:25,133 They wanted quotes. They wanted scandal. 508 00:23:25,174 --> 00:23:26,843 They wanted a piece of him. 509 00:23:26,926 --> 00:23:30,555 And yet because he had been a celebrity all his own life, 510 00:23:30,638 --> 00:23:33,307 it is also very much something he understood 511 00:23:33,349 --> 00:23:35,101 and wanted to be a player in. 512 00:23:35,184 --> 00:23:36,686 [ Indistinct talking ] 513 00:23:36,769 --> 00:23:41,357 John held journalists, in a slightly exalted place. 514 00:23:41,399 --> 00:23:45,862 His father was a journalist before he went into politics, 515 00:23:45,903 --> 00:23:50,199 and Jackie was a photographer, then she was an editor 516 00:23:50,241 --> 00:23:54,120 for a major book publishing firm in New York. 517 00:23:54,203 --> 00:23:56,456 Ginsberg: So I would presume that there was a part of her 518 00:23:56,539 --> 00:23:57,999 that actually really liked the idea 519 00:23:58,040 --> 00:24:00,501 of John starting a political magazine. 520 00:24:00,543 --> 00:24:03,296 Gillon: She was putting him in touch with influential people 521 00:24:03,379 --> 00:24:07,133 in the magazine world that would normally not have met 522 00:24:07,216 --> 00:24:09,886 with two people coming up with an idea 523 00:24:09,927 --> 00:24:12,805 that had no background in magazines. 524 00:24:12,889 --> 00:24:15,933 John didn't like to be treated differently most times, 525 00:24:16,017 --> 00:24:19,228 but his mom was the one who was calling in the favors 526 00:24:19,270 --> 00:24:22,773 and not him, and I think that made it a little easier for him. 527 00:24:30,198 --> 00:24:33,451 Radziwill: In any family that has that kind of rich, 528 00:24:33,534 --> 00:24:34,911 long history, 529 00:24:34,994 --> 00:24:38,080 everyone kind of has roles, right? 530 00:24:38,164 --> 00:24:39,832 Everyone has a role in the family. 531 00:24:39,916 --> 00:24:43,002 Even in typical families, I think everyone -- 532 00:24:43,085 --> 00:24:44,921 There is, like, the middle funny child 533 00:24:44,962 --> 00:24:46,756 and the bossy older sibling, 534 00:24:46,797 --> 00:24:48,799 and everyone kind of takes on a role. 535 00:24:48,883 --> 00:24:50,176 And I think John was just, like, 536 00:24:50,259 --> 00:24:52,762 a little bit more of a free spirit. 537 00:24:52,845 --> 00:24:55,264 There was a lot of, "Oh, John, what is he doing now? 538 00:24:55,306 --> 00:24:56,766 What did he get himself into?" 539 00:24:56,849 --> 00:24:59,519 This was his, like, tagline. 540 00:25:00,770 --> 00:25:03,064 Anthony was his cousin. 541 00:25:03,105 --> 00:25:05,942 They grew up together from childhood, 542 00:25:05,983 --> 00:25:08,694 and they were always playing jokes on each other. 543 00:25:08,778 --> 00:25:11,280 They were just fun together. 544 00:25:11,322 --> 00:25:13,574 Anthony and I started dating 545 00:25:13,616 --> 00:25:17,620 eight months after I first met him in L.A. 546 00:25:17,662 --> 00:25:20,623 We were together sort of casual 547 00:25:20,665 --> 00:25:22,959 because we were both at ABC News 548 00:25:23,042 --> 00:25:26,796 and we just felt like, "Let's just keep this quiet." 549 00:25:26,879 --> 00:25:28,297 But, of course, it was the '90s. 550 00:25:28,381 --> 00:25:31,217 Everyone was hooking up at work. 551 00:25:31,300 --> 00:25:34,929 The weekend I met John, he was out at the beach with Carolyn. 552 00:25:38,140 --> 00:25:41,477 She was sort of extraordinary in so many ways. 553 00:25:41,561 --> 00:25:43,479 We were in our late 20s at the time, 554 00:25:43,563 --> 00:25:48,651 and she was the first girl I ever knew who really was, 555 00:25:48,734 --> 00:25:52,488 like, this much overused expression, girl's girl. 556 00:25:52,572 --> 00:25:54,282 She was so beautiful. 557 00:25:55,950 --> 00:25:58,869 South: I met Carolyn when she worked for Calvin Klein. 558 00:25:58,953 --> 00:26:00,830 I was at Vanity Fair. 559 00:26:00,871 --> 00:26:03,708 I was the kind of person on the editorial side 560 00:26:03,791 --> 00:26:05,209 who was meant to have 561 00:26:05,293 --> 00:26:09,839 the best relationship with the advertisers, 562 00:26:09,922 --> 00:26:12,508 and Calvin was certainly one of the biggest. 563 00:26:12,550 --> 00:26:15,261 Carolyn was one of those people that the moment you met her, 564 00:26:15,344 --> 00:26:17,221 she kind of filled the room. 565 00:26:17,305 --> 00:26:20,725 I mean, she was incredibly beautiful. 566 00:26:20,808 --> 00:26:24,937 She was very, very smart. She had a serious brain. 567 00:26:25,021 --> 00:26:26,522 They met -- He had come in 568 00:26:26,606 --> 00:26:28,357 to get some suits fitted or something, 569 00:26:28,399 --> 00:26:31,694 and she was sort of Calvin Klein's muse 570 00:26:31,777 --> 00:26:33,654 and also ran PR. 571 00:26:33,696 --> 00:26:36,907 She was very sophisticated in that way. 572 00:26:36,991 --> 00:26:38,784 And that's how they originally met. 573 00:26:38,868 --> 00:26:42,038 And then two weekends later, he brought Daryl Hannah, 574 00:26:42,121 --> 00:26:46,083 who he had had a previously pretty long relationship with. 575 00:26:47,627 --> 00:26:50,546 He said that Daryl decided to move back to New York -- 576 00:26:50,588 --> 00:26:52,048 she was living in L.A. or something -- 577 00:26:52,089 --> 00:26:55,551 and that he felt like he owed it to her 578 00:26:55,635 --> 00:26:57,053 to try to see if it could work 579 00:26:57,136 --> 00:27:00,431 that they were both living on the same coast. 580 00:27:00,514 --> 00:27:04,810 His mom did have concerns with Daryl Hannah, the movie star. 581 00:27:04,894 --> 00:27:08,564 Christina Haag, who he dated after Brown, 582 00:27:08,648 --> 00:27:10,358 you know, once said, "To love John, 583 00:27:10,399 --> 00:27:13,361 you need the approval of his mom first." 584 00:27:16,238 --> 00:27:17,782 Radziwill: And I'm sure he loved Daryl. 585 00:27:17,865 --> 00:27:19,825 They stayed together for a couple years 586 00:27:19,909 --> 00:27:21,994 until his mother got sick. 587 00:27:23,746 --> 00:27:25,414 Reporter: Through a family spokeswoman, 588 00:27:25,456 --> 00:27:28,417 the former first lady has revealed she is being treated 589 00:27:28,459 --> 00:27:32,338 for a form of cancer of the lymphatic system, 590 00:27:32,421 --> 00:27:34,465 the lymph nodes scattered around the body 591 00:27:34,548 --> 00:27:37,468 that play a major role in the immune system. 592 00:27:37,551 --> 00:27:39,261 The 64-year-old Mrs. Onassis 593 00:27:39,303 --> 00:27:41,389 found out she was suffering from the disease 594 00:27:41,430 --> 00:27:45,768 after going to her doctor last month with flu-like symptoms. 595 00:27:47,937 --> 00:27:52,108 It was very traumatic because my husband -- 596 00:27:52,191 --> 00:27:57,780 well, at that point, my fiancé, you know, was battling cancer. 597 00:27:57,863 --> 00:28:00,825 He called Jackie to tell her, and he's like, 598 00:28:00,908 --> 00:28:02,451 "I have something to tell you." 599 00:28:02,493 --> 00:28:05,371 Then I remember him saying, "Okay, you go first." 600 00:28:05,454 --> 00:28:09,041 And she said, you know, "I have bad news, 601 00:28:09,125 --> 00:28:13,295 that I've been diagnosed with lymphoma." 602 00:28:13,337 --> 00:28:15,089 The former first lady is suffering 603 00:28:15,131 --> 00:28:18,134 from non-Hodgkin's lymphoma, a form of cancer. 604 00:28:18,217 --> 00:28:19,969 A spokeswoman says Mrs. Onassis 605 00:28:20,010 --> 00:28:21,804 will not have any further treatment. 606 00:28:21,887 --> 00:28:23,264 The disease has progressed 607 00:28:23,305 --> 00:28:25,850 and there is nothing doctors can do for her. 608 00:28:25,933 --> 00:28:27,393 All day long, family and relatives 609 00:28:27,476 --> 00:28:29,812 paid visits to her apartment on Fifth Avenue. 610 00:28:29,854 --> 00:28:31,480 You know, the end came pretty quickly. 611 00:28:31,522 --> 00:28:35,901 I remember, like, it was Sunday when we all were together, 612 00:28:35,985 --> 00:28:37,361 and Thursday she passed away, 613 00:28:37,445 --> 00:28:40,030 so it was a very short little window. 614 00:28:40,114 --> 00:28:42,158 Reporter: Bettina, family members are now leaving 615 00:28:42,241 --> 00:28:44,785 the apartment building on Fifth Avenue in New York 616 00:28:44,827 --> 00:28:47,913 across from Central Park where Mrs. Onassis died 617 00:28:47,997 --> 00:28:50,833 now almost three hours ago. 618 00:28:52,668 --> 00:28:54,378 John did say to me one time -- 619 00:28:54,462 --> 00:28:56,380 He said, "I'm too young to be an orphan." 620 00:28:56,464 --> 00:28:59,842 He was just absolutely devastated. 621 00:28:59,925 --> 00:29:01,927 Kennedy Jr.: My mother passed on. 622 00:29:02,011 --> 00:29:05,639 She was surrounded by her friends and her family 623 00:29:05,681 --> 00:29:09,977 and her books and the people and the things that she loved. 624 00:29:10,019 --> 00:29:13,189 And she did it in her own way and on her own terms. 625 00:29:13,272 --> 00:29:17,359 And, uh -- And we all feel lucky for that. 626 00:29:19,153 --> 00:29:24,033 Ginsberg: This is a note that John's mom wrote to John 627 00:29:24,116 --> 00:29:26,202 days before she died 628 00:29:26,285 --> 00:29:31,373 and only to be opened after her death in May of 1994. 629 00:29:31,457 --> 00:29:34,251 "I understand the pressure you'll forever have to endure 630 00:29:34,335 --> 00:29:36,670 as a Kennedy, even though we brought you 631 00:29:36,712 --> 00:29:38,506 into this world as an innocent. 632 00:29:38,547 --> 00:29:41,842 You especially have a place in history, 633 00:29:41,884 --> 00:29:44,887 no matter what course in life you choose. 634 00:29:44,970 --> 00:29:47,848 All I can ask is that you continue to make me, 635 00:29:47,890 --> 00:29:50,518 the Kennedy family, and yourself proud." 636 00:29:54,355 --> 00:29:56,106 Gillon: So he had this whole drama going on 637 00:29:56,190 --> 00:29:59,360 with Daryl Hannah, who he had really broken up with. 638 00:29:59,401 --> 00:30:01,487 But, you know, so this is like -- 639 00:30:01,570 --> 00:30:02,863 This is John's life, right? 640 00:30:02,905 --> 00:30:05,741 His mom dies. He's mourning his mom. 641 00:30:05,783 --> 00:30:08,911 But he's afraid that if the public knows 642 00:30:08,953 --> 00:30:10,788 he's broken up with Daryl Hannah, 643 00:30:10,871 --> 00:30:13,874 the media is going to focus on that and not on his mom 644 00:30:13,916 --> 00:30:15,543 and his mom's life. 645 00:30:15,584 --> 00:30:18,587 So he went through the pretense of still being together, 646 00:30:18,629 --> 00:30:21,340 and they went rollerblading down Fifth Avenue, 647 00:30:21,423 --> 00:30:24,260 I think, just so everybody could see them together. 648 00:30:24,301 --> 00:30:26,220 That's the kind of calculation John has to make 649 00:30:26,262 --> 00:30:28,264 that most of us don't have to make. 650 00:30:29,682 --> 00:30:32,476 Radziwill: John and Jackie, they were very close. 651 00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:36,438 He was heartbroken, and it was a really hard time for him. 652 00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:40,484 But there was almost like, I would say, like an emancipation. 653 00:30:42,319 --> 00:30:44,655 I think for the first time, 654 00:30:44,738 --> 00:30:48,617 he felt free to do what he wanted to do in a way 655 00:30:48,701 --> 00:30:51,745 that he wouldn't have when his mom was alive. 656 00:30:51,787 --> 00:30:56,500 And, you know, there's -- a lot of good came out of that. 657 00:30:56,584 --> 00:30:59,336 He reconnected pretty quickly with Carolyn, 658 00:30:59,420 --> 00:31:02,047 and, of course, he had started working on the magazine 659 00:31:02,131 --> 00:31:03,966 years earlier. 660 00:31:04,008 --> 00:31:06,886 This was like a rebirth for him, in a way. 661 00:31:06,969 --> 00:31:10,681 He just felt free. 662 00:31:10,764 --> 00:31:13,017 -CNN. John! -John! 663 00:31:18,647 --> 00:31:21,734 Andersen: I was the editor of New York Magazine 664 00:31:21,817 --> 00:31:25,738 when John Kennedy, whom I'd never met, said, 665 00:31:25,821 --> 00:31:29,325 "I'd love to have lunch with you and my partner, Michael Berman." 666 00:31:29,408 --> 00:31:33,996 And we did, of course, at the Royalton Hotel. 667 00:31:35,164 --> 00:31:37,625 And it was -- I was impressed by him. 668 00:31:37,666 --> 00:31:41,587 He was, you know, intelligent, thoughtful, charming, 669 00:31:41,670 --> 00:31:45,132 not arrogant-seeming, not entitled-seeming, 670 00:31:45,174 --> 00:31:47,843 although, of course, the most entitled human being 671 00:31:47,885 --> 00:31:49,178 in existence, probably. 672 00:31:49,261 --> 00:31:52,640 But I liked him, and he wasn't stupid. 673 00:31:52,681 --> 00:31:54,433 I thought you were a lawyer. 674 00:31:54,516 --> 00:31:55,351 I was. 675 00:31:55,392 --> 00:31:57,519 You were a DA. Are you now -- 676 00:31:57,561 --> 00:31:59,730 This is it? This is going to be your life? 677 00:31:59,813 --> 00:32:03,400 Editing, publishing, magazines, writing, is that it? 678 00:32:03,484 --> 00:32:06,028 I don't remember the specific presentation, 679 00:32:06,070 --> 00:32:07,321 "This is what I want to do," 680 00:32:07,363 --> 00:32:09,907 but I understood it to be a magazine 681 00:32:09,990 --> 00:32:13,494 about politics and political figures 682 00:32:13,535 --> 00:32:16,747 that would be smart 683 00:32:16,830 --> 00:32:20,793 but in a in a sassy, glossy way. 684 00:32:20,876 --> 00:32:22,378 I thought, oh, this is worth -- 685 00:32:22,461 --> 00:32:24,463 some version of this is worth a try. 686 00:32:24,546 --> 00:32:26,215 One of the challenges for us was 687 00:32:26,256 --> 00:32:27,716 how you come up with a magazine about politics 688 00:32:27,758 --> 00:32:32,429 that somehow gets around the word "politics." 689 00:32:32,513 --> 00:32:37,059 John wanted to take this arcane process of lawmaking 690 00:32:37,101 --> 00:32:38,727 and popularize it. 691 00:32:38,769 --> 00:32:41,397 So he said, "I'm going to use graphics, use diagrams." 692 00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:43,357 Make it accessible and make it familiar 693 00:32:43,399 --> 00:32:45,192 and create an identity. 694 00:32:45,234 --> 00:32:46,694 He said George is to politics 695 00:32:46,735 --> 00:32:48,737 with Sports Illustrated is to sports 696 00:32:48,779 --> 00:32:53,075 and Allure is to beauty and music is to Rolling Stone. 697 00:32:53,117 --> 00:32:55,661 Ginsberg: He wanted people in the middle of the country to read it. 698 00:32:55,744 --> 00:32:57,830 He wanted to make it post-partisan, 699 00:32:57,913 --> 00:33:02,710 because I think Bill Clinton had this aura of post-partisanship. 700 00:33:02,751 --> 00:33:04,753 He shattered the perceptions 701 00:33:04,837 --> 00:33:07,172 that somehow you have to stay within the two-party system. 702 00:33:07,256 --> 00:33:08,924 If you could turn on people 703 00:33:08,966 --> 00:33:12,428 who'd never really considered themselves politically oriented, 704 00:33:12,469 --> 00:33:14,930 turn them onto politics somehow through this magazine, 705 00:33:14,972 --> 00:33:17,141 that would be a success for us. 706 00:33:19,268 --> 00:33:20,728 Gillon: I was skeptical. 707 00:33:20,769 --> 00:33:23,022 John's launching a magazine that's designed 708 00:33:23,105 --> 00:33:25,399 to blur the line between liberal and conservative 709 00:33:25,441 --> 00:33:28,569 just as American politics were becoming more polarized 710 00:33:28,610 --> 00:33:29,945 between left and right. 711 00:33:29,987 --> 00:33:32,448 We're going to be open to working with everyone, 712 00:33:32,489 --> 00:33:34,700 that we will cooperate with anyone, 713 00:33:34,783 --> 00:33:36,785 and we will compromise with no one. 714 00:33:36,869 --> 00:33:41,123 Politically it was a pretty wild time, 'cause think about it. 715 00:33:41,165 --> 00:33:44,251 Like, Clinton wins in '92. 716 00:33:44,293 --> 00:33:47,671 And then midterms... 717 00:33:47,755 --> 00:33:49,381 the Democrats got trounced 718 00:33:49,465 --> 00:33:52,259 by the whole Newt Gingrich revolution. 719 00:33:52,301 --> 00:33:56,680 You've got Gingrich waging war on the government. 720 00:33:56,764 --> 00:33:58,348 You know, he tried to shut it down, 721 00:33:58,432 --> 00:34:00,309 if you remember, with the budget. 722 00:34:01,685 --> 00:34:05,105 We also begin to see the success of Rush Limbaugh 723 00:34:05,147 --> 00:34:06,899 during this period. 724 00:34:06,982 --> 00:34:08,233 Limbaugh: You people in the press 725 00:34:08,316 --> 00:34:09,985 have got to understand something. 726 00:34:10,026 --> 00:34:12,905 This country is conservative. It has been for a long time. 727 00:34:12,988 --> 00:34:14,198 Get used to it. 728 00:34:14,281 --> 00:34:17,493 You tried to change it, and you failed. 729 00:34:17,575 --> 00:34:20,662 It was an incredibly risky thing for John to do, 730 00:34:20,746 --> 00:34:22,206 and he could have taken the safe route. 731 00:34:22,289 --> 00:34:24,749 But John's fiercely competitive, right. 732 00:34:26,293 --> 00:34:27,753 Brown: Starting a magazine is so hard. 733 00:34:27,836 --> 00:34:30,130 I had heard that he'd talked to people. 734 00:34:30,171 --> 00:34:31,506 My immediate instinct about it 735 00:34:31,590 --> 00:34:33,883 was it was a vanity project for him 736 00:34:33,967 --> 00:34:38,347 and was very skeptical that it would be any good. 737 00:34:38,388 --> 00:34:40,015 But when I first met him 738 00:34:40,057 --> 00:34:43,560 and I saw him to be this kind of rather gentlemanly figure, 739 00:34:43,644 --> 00:34:48,231 he was more kind of courtly and slightly old-fashioned, 740 00:34:48,314 --> 00:34:49,608 actually, than I'd expected. 741 00:34:49,691 --> 00:34:52,861 And he understood that he was a star 742 00:34:52,945 --> 00:34:56,698 and that he really could have whatever he wanted. 743 00:34:56,782 --> 00:34:59,785 Carter: I knew John, and when he started the magazine, we had a chat. 744 00:34:59,868 --> 00:35:01,870 If I'd been his father or an uncle or something, 745 00:35:01,954 --> 00:35:04,164 I would have said, "Go work at another magazine 746 00:35:04,206 --> 00:35:05,874 for three years before you do this." 747 00:35:05,958 --> 00:35:08,919 You know, "Get your feet under the desk on somebody else's dime 748 00:35:09,002 --> 00:35:11,713 and figure out all the things you don't want to do 749 00:35:11,797 --> 00:35:14,341 and do want to do before you actually launch it, 750 00:35:14,383 --> 00:35:16,218 because it's going to be big at first 751 00:35:16,260 --> 00:35:17,928 and it's going to get noticed." 752 00:35:18,011 --> 00:35:20,931 And it's a tough job. There's no school to get -- 753 00:35:21,014 --> 00:35:23,183 You know, there's a school -- you need to get a license 754 00:35:23,225 --> 00:35:27,146 to practice real-estate sales and home -- and decorating. 755 00:35:27,229 --> 00:35:28,564 There's nothing to be an editor 756 00:35:28,605 --> 00:35:30,149 unless you've worked at a magazine. 757 00:35:30,232 --> 00:35:32,609 And he hadn't done that. 758 00:35:32,693 --> 00:35:35,487 Ginsberg: Finally, we were ready to go. 759 00:35:35,571 --> 00:35:37,739 [ Indistinct conversations ] 760 00:35:37,823 --> 00:35:42,119 John and Michael -- they were pitching everybody. 761 00:35:42,202 --> 00:35:44,204 And everybody would take the pitch 762 00:35:44,246 --> 00:35:45,789 'cause they all wanted to meet John. 763 00:35:45,873 --> 00:35:48,292 So he had a lot more pitches than the average person. 764 00:35:48,375 --> 00:35:51,628 But it also meant he had a lot more rejections. 765 00:35:51,712 --> 00:35:53,422 And they would come back, and, you know, it's like, 766 00:35:53,505 --> 00:35:55,174 "Great meeting, great meeting," and then you'd find out 767 00:35:55,257 --> 00:35:58,468 a day or two later they'd get a phone call it's a no-go. 768 00:36:00,429 --> 00:36:02,639 George was a huge risk for John. 769 00:36:02,723 --> 00:36:06,602 Look, George was a risk for any person 770 00:36:06,685 --> 00:36:08,270 wanting to start a magazine. 771 00:36:08,312 --> 00:36:10,480 You were starting a political magazine, 772 00:36:10,564 --> 00:36:14,109 which, by definition, never worked. 773 00:36:14,193 --> 00:36:16,069 It was a risk for anybody. 774 00:36:16,111 --> 00:36:21,116 And if it weren't, Condé Nast would have done it. 775 00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:23,619 It was a huge risk. 776 00:36:23,660 --> 00:36:25,787 That fearlessness is what drove him 777 00:36:25,871 --> 00:36:29,917 throughout his adult life, ultimately to his detriment. 778 00:36:36,048 --> 00:36:39,134 [ Indistinct conversations ] 779 00:36:39,218 --> 00:36:41,678 The 1980s and 1990s in New York 780 00:36:41,762 --> 00:36:43,847 were great times to be in the magazine business. 781 00:36:43,931 --> 00:36:45,474 I mean, there's nothing that could touch 782 00:36:45,557 --> 00:36:48,977 what magazines could do. They drove the culture. 783 00:36:49,061 --> 00:36:51,772 Gillon: So, just when John and Michael think it's over, 784 00:36:51,813 --> 00:36:56,151 and this dream they have of creating this magazine is dead, 785 00:36:56,235 --> 00:36:58,403 they meet a guy named David Pecker, 786 00:36:58,487 --> 00:37:00,489 who was then the CEO of Hachette. 787 00:37:00,572 --> 00:37:04,034 So, at Hachette, we don't shy away from taking chances. 788 00:37:04,117 --> 00:37:07,996 A magazine launch is a commitment from a company 789 00:37:08,038 --> 00:37:09,790 in the upwards of $20 million. 790 00:37:09,831 --> 00:37:14,419 Pecker was the kind of guy who John avoided his whole life. 791 00:37:14,503 --> 00:37:17,506 I'm sure glad I picked up the check. 792 00:37:17,589 --> 00:37:21,677 Andersen: David Pecker was a funny figure in my eyes, 793 00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:26,306 a diminutive man in a mustache and a big smile. 794 00:37:26,348 --> 00:37:28,016 He was a hustler 795 00:37:28,100 --> 00:37:31,520 and years later was involved with the National Enquirer. 796 00:37:31,603 --> 00:37:34,815 And he was not top-drawer 797 00:37:34,856 --> 00:37:37,192 in terms of the publishing industry. 798 00:37:37,234 --> 00:37:40,904 I mean, David was a complicated person. 799 00:37:40,988 --> 00:37:43,031 Um, you know, I can't lie 800 00:37:43,115 --> 00:37:46,451 and say that it wasn't part of it was the allure of John. 801 00:37:46,535 --> 00:37:49,705 You know, I guess the Kennedy thing didn't hurt, okay? 802 00:37:49,788 --> 00:37:50,622 [ Chuckles ] 803 00:37:50,706 --> 00:37:52,666 But I think David also 804 00:37:52,708 --> 00:37:54,751 was entrepreneurial enough 805 00:37:54,835 --> 00:37:58,130 to understand a good idea when it was pitched to him. 806 00:37:58,213 --> 00:38:01,216 Ginsberg: Hachette said yes. It was really exciting. 807 00:38:01,300 --> 00:38:02,759 You know, it wasn't ideal. 808 00:38:02,843 --> 00:38:05,012 They didn't have any history of publishing 809 00:38:05,053 --> 00:38:08,557 a first-rate, high-quality political magazine. 810 00:38:09,933 --> 00:38:12,019 It wasn't Condé Nast. 811 00:38:12,060 --> 00:38:13,645 Put it that way. 812 00:38:13,729 --> 00:38:15,772 Gillon: So, what happens is, day one, 813 00:38:15,856 --> 00:38:17,566 you know they meet with the editorial director, 814 00:38:17,649 --> 00:38:20,485 who says they're gonna change the name of the magazine 815 00:38:20,569 --> 00:38:22,404 to Crisscross. 816 00:38:22,487 --> 00:38:25,615 And John's like -- John was furious. 817 00:38:25,699 --> 00:38:28,076 And they also told him that, you know, 818 00:38:28,118 --> 00:38:30,329 Hachette always wanted George 819 00:38:30,412 --> 00:38:33,498 to be essentially a celebrity fan club, 820 00:38:33,582 --> 00:38:36,084 with John as the main celebrity. 821 00:38:36,126 --> 00:38:39,963 John's a passive guy, but he was furious. 822 00:38:40,047 --> 00:38:42,924 And he went up to David Pecker's office, and he said, 823 00:38:43,008 --> 00:38:44,676 "We're done. 824 00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:47,429 This relationship isn't gonna work." 825 00:38:47,471 --> 00:38:49,598 Eventually, Pecker backed down. 826 00:38:49,681 --> 00:38:52,267 But this was a constant source of tension 827 00:38:52,309 --> 00:38:53,977 throughout the life of the magazine. 828 00:38:55,395 --> 00:38:57,898 Radziwill: At that time, he was really focused on the magazine, 829 00:38:57,939 --> 00:39:00,108 and Carolyn was really focused on the magazine. 830 00:39:00,150 --> 00:39:02,277 I feel like it was just as much her baby 831 00:39:02,319 --> 00:39:03,570 as it was his, in a way. 832 00:39:03,612 --> 00:39:06,114 Like, she was definitely a driving force 833 00:39:06,198 --> 00:39:08,450 in keeping him focused and keeping him out 834 00:39:08,492 --> 00:39:13,872 of the side circus shows that he could have gotten involved in. 835 00:39:14,998 --> 00:39:17,292 Ginsberg: She was fiercely protective of him. 836 00:39:17,376 --> 00:39:18,835 She was always saying to him, 837 00:39:18,919 --> 00:39:21,088 "John, you're being taken advantage of by X," 838 00:39:21,129 --> 00:39:23,507 or, "You're being played by Y." 839 00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:26,843 Radziwill: She made him feel, 840 00:39:26,927 --> 00:39:28,470 probably more than anyone in his life, 841 00:39:28,553 --> 00:39:30,263 that he could be his own person, 842 00:39:30,305 --> 00:39:35,519 he didn't have to follow what people expected of him. 843 00:39:35,602 --> 00:39:36,978 Of course, the magazine -- 844 00:39:37,020 --> 00:39:40,565 that was a real departure from anything 845 00:39:40,649 --> 00:39:43,652 anyone in his family had done before. 846 00:39:43,693 --> 00:39:47,406 It was a really physically and emotionally taxing time. 847 00:39:47,489 --> 00:39:51,701 John lost -- I don't know -- like 30 pounds, 20 pounds. 848 00:39:51,785 --> 00:39:54,788 I don't remember exactly. 849 00:39:54,830 --> 00:39:57,499 We wanted to prove the doubters wrong. 850 00:39:58,917 --> 00:40:01,753 Also, he was carrying around a ring. 851 00:40:02,879 --> 00:40:05,006 When you're John, you know, it's a big step. 852 00:40:05,048 --> 00:40:08,009 He knows it's gonna have, you know, major implications. 853 00:40:10,720 --> 00:40:13,098 Radziwill: They were in the vineyard, and he, um... 854 00:40:14,683 --> 00:40:17,519 I think it was kind of a surprise for her. 855 00:40:21,064 --> 00:40:22,816 She called me. 856 00:40:22,858 --> 00:40:24,693 They had just gotten back to New York, 857 00:40:24,776 --> 00:40:27,446 and she said that John had proposed 858 00:40:27,529 --> 00:40:30,866 with a ring that his mother had called her swimming ring, 859 00:40:30,949 --> 00:40:34,035 and it was a band of sapphires and diamonds. 860 00:40:35,871 --> 00:40:38,874 She was happy, but nervous. 861 00:40:38,915 --> 00:40:41,501 She didn't want to tell anyone. 862 00:40:41,543 --> 00:40:44,463 Interviewer: Why? 863 00:40:44,546 --> 00:40:45,922 Because both within the family 864 00:40:46,006 --> 00:40:48,258 and then, obviously for them publicly, 865 00:40:48,341 --> 00:40:51,887 it just became -- it became something else. 866 00:40:54,806 --> 00:40:58,059 Everyone started hearing about it and started realizing, 867 00:40:58,101 --> 00:41:02,481 "Oh, she's just not just another girl that he's hanging out with. 868 00:41:02,564 --> 00:41:04,399 Like, he's really serious. 869 00:41:04,483 --> 00:41:05,942 He's gonna marry her." 870 00:41:06,026 --> 00:41:08,236 And there was a higher expectation, I think, 871 00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:10,030 even in the family. 872 00:41:10,071 --> 00:41:13,658 She wanted to stave that off, I think, as long as possible. 873 00:41:13,742 --> 00:41:15,535 Woman: Hi. Yeah, my question -- 874 00:41:15,577 --> 00:41:16,912 I'm just sitting around with a bunch of friends tonight, 875 00:41:16,995 --> 00:41:19,039 and we're curious to see, um, 876 00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:21,166 how John proposed to Carolyn. 877 00:41:21,249 --> 00:41:23,502 News anchor: Liz, I'll give you that question. 878 00:41:23,585 --> 00:41:25,670 I wish I knew. 879 00:41:25,754 --> 00:41:28,215 There's a kind of frenzy around this. 880 00:41:28,256 --> 00:41:31,426 I think it's great. Everyone should be happy. 881 00:41:31,468 --> 00:41:34,179 Wright Rigueur: The world's most eligible bachelor 882 00:41:34,262 --> 00:41:35,805 is off the market, 883 00:41:35,889 --> 00:41:39,851 but it's still about America's 3-year-old growing up, 884 00:41:39,935 --> 00:41:43,313 about him moving on into the next phase of his life. 885 00:41:43,396 --> 00:41:45,815 And when you introduce a woman into that... 886 00:41:45,899 --> 00:41:47,526 Man Johns on the way? 887 00:41:47,609 --> 00:41:49,319 Man you. Can you look over? 888 00:41:49,402 --> 00:41:54,407 ...that's going to spark an insane level of curiosity. 889 00:41:54,449 --> 00:41:56,493 Who is she? What makes her tick? 890 00:41:56,576 --> 00:41:58,620 Why is she so special?